Three ‘gotcha’ job interview questions
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Written By:
Donn LeVie, Jr., CFE
Adults believe they're proficient in being able to tell when others lie to them. Parents, for example, can describe in detail the telltale signs of their young children's changes in body language, speech, or demeanor when they lie. Corporate managers think they can "ferret out" someone who lies to them in a job interview.
Fraud examiners, investigators, and auditors, in particular, find their ability to detect deception a key component of their success. Most have received formalized training in the detection of deception.
Consider this story as an unusual example of how the absence of deception helped make the case. A large company retained me to investigate theft from its warehouse where the employees are non-union and responsible for the receipt, storage, and distribution of the warehouse merchandise. Except for the warehouse employees, the company's main operations employees are members of the appropriate union. A confidential informant pointed to one warehouse suspect, "Fred Smith," who stole from the warehouse and then gave, traded, or sold warehouse products to union and non-union employees at the facility.
Fred kept some of the merchandise at his home and he subsequently was arrested for possession of stolen property. In exchange for a reduced sentence, he agreed to fully cooperate in the examination by speaking with company security personnel and me.
Of course, the corporate managers and I were wary - even skeptical - of Fred and his proposed cooperation. And he was an admitted thief, liar, and drug user. It's common for a criminal in such a situation to try to increase his appearance of cooperation by minimizing his involvement in illegal acts or other activities that are against the company's proprietary interests and fabricating the involvement of others.
Despite company negotiations with union representatives, none of the union employees agreed to be interviewed. Several resigned in lieu of termination and the rest were terminated following strict union guidelines. All the terminated union employees requested representation from the union, but because of additional corroborative evidence, the union declined to assist all but five in being reinstated, thus upholding their terminations. The union decided to represent the five employees because, other than Fred's allegations, there was no additional evidence and no other witnesses. So the client company was forced to defend the terminations in union arbitration.
As a witness at all five of the arbitration hearings, I found it necessary to defend why I believed that Fred told the truth about each of the terminated union employees - even in the absence of independent evidence or the opportunity to interview the five terminated union employees for possible signs of deception.
Putting your knowledge to the test
I've examined many other cases in which I've concluded, based upon my perceived presence of deception indicators, that the interview/interrogation subjects were lying and/or withholding information. That finding of deception on the part of the accused, coupled with other evidence and/or witness statements, was often the basis of legal or administrative action. However, a rarer situation is when the fraud examiner's opinion of a witness' truthfulness, based on the lack of deception indicators, is the sole lynchpin of articulating the deception of co-conspirators especially without being able to interview those other persons.
In this case, there were four separate professional arbitrators, all of whom were attorneys, in the five union arbitrations. (One arbitrator heard two separate cases.) Both the union and the client company agreed on the choice of the arbitrators.
Obviously, the burden of proof, the rules of evidence, and the rules of procedure were much less stringent in this arbitration hearing than they would have been in a court of law. In fact, there wasn't a need to have a proof beyond a reasonable doubt or even proof through the preponderance of evidence, but the arbitrator still must have been persuaded through "clear and convincing proof" that the union employee's termination should be upheld.
Make a list and check it twice
During the examination, I compiled a list of the reasons why I believed Fred more than the union employees who had denied the allegations but declined to be interviewed, which the client company used to make its decisions to terminate and the arbitrators received in the five union arbitration hearings:
In a perfect world, there would have been consistency among all four of the arbitrators - particularly on whether Fred was a believable witness. However, two of the arbitrators cited their failure to believe Fred (in the absence of additional specific evidence) as the basis for reinstating two of the five Union employees.
The remaining two arbitrators (one of whom heard two separate cases) believed Fred and used that belief as a basis for their decisions to uphold the termination of three of the five Union employees. One arbitrator even wrote in his opinion, "The additional reasons for finding the statements of (Fred) to be credible are based upon the expert testimony and opinions of the fraud investigator." These arbitrators found it reasonable for the client company to make a good faith judgment based on my findings.
So sometimes in a fraud examination you don't have to be stymied when the sole lynchpin of the case is the absence of a suspect's deception. Even without the testimony of co-conspirators you might prove the guilt of all parties if you wisely analyze your key witness and apply specialized methods.
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